The Chinese inverter and 60Ah 48V pack all wrapped up with a trash bag
Some ebike bloggers spend their time writing about bikes they have never ridden. This is not that kind of blog, instead, I spend my time using batteries, motors, and inverters to do things that I really should not be doing. In the process, I try not to electrocute myself or cause any permanent injury (I cut off the end of my index finger last week because the sauerkraut gods demanded a sacrifice). One of the things I’ve been meaning to do for the last 2 years is buying a cheap AC inverter off Alibaba and run large high amperage tools off it like pressure washers, log splitters, and rototillers. This might seem like an insane idea initially and I have to admit, that it is insane. The reality is that if you don’t care that much about your batteries and are willing to risk it, many large ebike batteries work pretty well as a Portable 120V AC Power source. 3kw Solar System
My wife went crazy this winter and bought hundreds of trees as well as 600 strawberries and 1000 asparagus crowns. It’s gotten way past the point where I even ask questions anymore, I’m essentially the free slave labor, and I’ve accepted my lot in life. The asparagus crowns were particularly problematic as they needed to be planted in a trench about 6 inches down. Shoveling by hand my wife was able to plant about 25 crowns in an hour. I begged her to stop, but she insisted planting 100 crowns this way. It was probably best to let her suffer a little to help teach her clicker finger a little restraint when it comes to its insatiable appetite for BUY IT NOW buttons.
My Amazon $108 12Amp 120V AC Sun Joe Rototiller allowed me to plant about 900 crowns in 4 hours, 9 times faster than doing it by hand
I came to the rescue with a very inexpensive AC powered Rototiller I had bought from Amazon (available here) the previous year. Initially I was thinking I would power it directly with ebike batteries, but having an AC motor run with DC current is a royal PITA so instead, I just bought a high power DC->AC inverter that went from 48v nominal DC to 120V AC and was rated for 5000W. At 15 Amps a 120V service should never pull more than 1800W but the Watt ratings on these inverters are so ridiculously overstated I figured getting a 5000W inverter and running 1800W was fair game. I ran the rototiller for over 4 hours and barely made a dent in the capacity of my 60Ah battery.
This inverter claims 5000W with 10,000W peaks but don’t believe the hype
I bought my DC 48v inverter from AliExpress for $115 shipped (although now it is $125 here) and it showed up in a few days. I used XT90 connectors with pigtails and just crimped some solid copper ring connectors like these ones from Ebay 10 for $7. Probably an overkill to use solid copper, but I didn’t want to lose any conductivity on the connectors. Hooking up my ebike battery to the inverter was literally a 5-minute job, crimp the ring connectors, put them on and it’s done. Be aware that the inverter does draw power from the battery when it is on, even if there is no load. It’s also smart to keep an eye on the temp of the XT90 connector and the wires, if they get too hot then you might need a higher amperage connector or thicker gauge wire. Keep an eye on the battery temp as well to make sure you aren’t stressing it out. A battery can get warm to the touch but it should never get hot.
My battery has 3 XT90 connectors so I hooked up all 3 to the inverter, you probably can get away with just one
If I had to do this again, instead of hooking up the inverter to my 48v nominal homemade electric tractor battery, I would have bought a 60v nominal inverter and hooked it up to my Sur-Ron battery. That battery has an inline BMS to protect it from getting too low or shorting out. It also has a shock and somewhat water resistant case, whereas my battery has a crappy cardboard box with a Thermarest pad and a trash bag on the outside. I wonder which setup is more likely to explode?
A 12V inverter hooked up to a Prius as a temporary portable generator
I can’t say enough good things about my Sur Ron and the battery for it. You can buy extra 60v 32Ah Sur-Ron packs for about $1600 here or you can get a pack out of a junked electric car (Volt is best I think) and use that as a much larger pack which will last for days instead of hours. I’ve gotten to the point where I’m going to start doing this myself.
There is a slew of people who use 12V inverters hooked into the 12v bus of their 2nd gen Priuses and if you leave the car on, the main hybrid battery will automatically replenish the 12V pack as it drains down. If the main battery gets too low the car will start itself up and just charge the hybrid battery in the driveway. Lots of people use these as backup generators when the power is out for several days (link to forum here). Be aware that if you’re doing this with 12V DC you must have much better connectors and much thicker wires because you will be pulling a lot more amps than with an ebike setup.
We bought this 16″ Ego 56v cordless chainsaw for about $300
One of the biggest problems with cordless tools is the cost and durability. My wife and I bought an Ego 56v 16″ chainsaw for almost $300 and we have now destroyed our second one. The first one lost the controller and the windings on the second saw completely melted. Ego keeps sending us new units, but you can get a 120V AC corded saw which is much lighter for about 1/6 of the cost. The same is true with hedge trimmers, lawn mowers, pole saws etc. The cordless tools cost way more and have a much shorter battery life and are much heavier. You can throw a 20Ah+ ebike battery and the inverter into a small backpack and use an AC chainsaw or hedge trimmer all day (not just for less than an hour). Make sure the inverter has a way to ‘breathe’ (it has a small fan) or it might get too hot and burn out.
Ego now sells it’s Nexus Power station with 14Ah of battery capacity for *cough* $1197 *cough* here
So there you have it, a way to create a generator you wear on your back to run AC powered hand tools all day long. Whether you’re a farmer, or a construction worker or a homesteader, or just preparing for the Zombie Apocolypse, any tool you can plug into an outlet, you can probably just run off your cheap Chinese inverter.
Whether or not you should is a different question entirely.
Ride \ Saw \ Rototill \ Split \ Wash \ Trim On
For more info on inverters check out this article on overlandsite.com
Great Article! I’ve been doing the same thing for a while now with my ebike batteries. It is also a great way to cycle your unused ebike batteries in the winter to keep them healthy as opposed to sitting idle for many months at a time! I have also put several of my batteries together in parallel to increase capacity and reduce the amp draw. Just be sure the batteries are the same voltage before you parallel them otherwise, your batteries may not be happy and you might start a fire or fry your BMS or both. YMMV of course
I have a 2013 Plug in Prius (reasonably priced to buy now, now that they are “pre-owned”, and have taken long road trips with my Montague folder (BBSHD/Rohloff hub) in the space where the front passenger seat normally goes, lived out of it. I installed a better VDC outlet direct off the 12 volt acc battery so I could use a cheap small inverter to run my LUNA charger. Pure sine wave inverters are NOT required for this use, mod sine works fine. I can cruise down the road getting over 50 MPG, charging the bike battery even when stopped, and sleep in the back with full heat or AC all night! The gas motor only starts briefly to top off the big battery, and it’s all super efficient. I also have a rear receiver rack for my fat ebike, and will often charge it will driving to a ride in town. My last fillup was 57.77 mpg, I love this car, got it with 35K miles for 18K. My 60 volt Greenworks chain saw kicks ass, for two years, same with the lawn mower (same battery). I used it to clear over 1/4 mile of trail in dense tree and brush, for a home bike trail.
Interesting, thanks for the info. I can see situations where being tethered to the tool would be annoying. Like when you want to briefly put the tool down to move branches and such before cutting again. Do you know of a magnetic connector that would work for quickly disconnecting and reconnecting a backpack battery from the tool?
Most magnetic connectors are for low power applications. I am happy with the XT90. I’ve melted a few, but only when I am stupid.
Karl, I am writing you regarding the ebike lithium battery. To date you seem to be the authority and best understand alternative uses for the expensive and very powerful battery. As indicated in the article published 10 May 2019, about alternative uses to the very powerful 48 v lithium battery, occasionally beefed up to 52 volts. Since I have this battery, and no longer the bike, I was inspired to consider the possibility of yet another use of this battery and could use your advise on using this battery (48 v /52v lithium) as an additional source to charge the Bluetti AC 200. Which touts the ability to charge 6 different ways. This charging combination would give me an extended time camping etc. However, I must admit I am a novice when it come to pairing components in a way that it is useful, functional. Which brings me to the “YWILLINK 5000W Multi-Function Power Inverter DC 12V/24V/48V to AC 220V Converter with LCD Display (48V).”
This product claims it can reduce 48 v down to 110v (very useable). However, didn’t see the 110 plug, on the converter; so I assume I can plug in a 220 adapter that reduces it down to 110v. Then I’m guessing, I can plug the Bluetti Ac 200, into it for charging on the go. Appreciate your input.
It is one of the best ways to recycle unused products. That’s a great job. Thanks for such a good article. Your’s Well Wisher, Team ElectricBikeScooterCar.
Will this inverter have any problems running off my 52 volt batteries? I know it is only a 4 volt difference but ya never know.
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Hello, I have 2 48 volt 20Mah bike batteries that I use for my ebike but wish to create a backup power supply. what do I need to do in order to do this? I have the xt90 plugs and I am learning to solder but I am a beginner.I would like to know if these are good enough to use and if so how many hours could I run a 2000 watt computer? (IF I CAN?) what applications could they be used for and what size sine wave inverter would I need? Thanks for your time and all the information you have posted! and please be careful to not lose your digits!
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I just ordered a 48v input sine wave inverter from AliE. I use all 52v ebike packs which charge to 58.8v .
Has anyone else tried to use this much input voltage for a 48v inverter?
Dc Solar Tv I almost ordered the 60v instead , but I though it light drop wattage once the 52v packs get down to 50v ish so I’d basically leave half the pack capacity unusable.